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For Flyer and Midi and others...

Held an SU-16 for the first time today. Not being a rifle guy... I must say I was impressed.

A few questions:

The front stock/bipod seems flimsy. Is it likely to break? I know KT will fix it, but...

When the gun is folded up (which takes a tool to drive out the pin), where do you put the pin? Back in the hole it came from? Is it safe to say that folding the gun is more of a "storage" kind of thing? It woudl take some time and possibly a small mallet to get it into shooting conditon, right?

I am thinking about getting into some 3 gun competition. Do you think this gun would fit the bill, or should I keep saving for an AR?

My local gun shop will sell me the SU-16 new for about $475.
 

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IMHO first thing is go get it! Now. At that price it is a steal. :!: The Factory pin goes in hard for a while, but "Breaks" in after a bit. A while back I posted two ways to upgrade this. One was a D style latch pin and one was a detent style pin (did not actually use the last). I remove one of the rear screw-n-spacer to make a place for the d pin that keeps it closed for transport. I think it was posted on the other list. I now use the D pin for storage & back up, and the factory pin for every day use. The Forearm is designed that way. No worries there. As for the competition shooting I have no idea.
 

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Yep, Midi hit it pretty well...
You're not going to get AR accuracy. You're going to get very good accuracy, but nowhere near sub-moa. More like 1 1/2 to 2 inches at 100 yds.
However, the SU is a great everyday rifle, kicking the snot out of about everything else out there! Yes, the bipod DOES seem flimsy, but that's the it's supposed to be... allows for a wide range of movement without 'canting' the rifle. Add the ability to use AR mags, and you're getting a clear winner, especially at that price!
For competition, though, better make it a Bushie...
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I should elaborate on my earlier comment. I shot competition with an AR-15 that I eventually found I didn't consider suitable for competition either. It (along with a variety of other factors) kept me in the 315 - 350 range. But... it got me INTO competition and I had a great deal of fun with it during that season. When that season ended and I knew I wasn't performing to what I expected my level of competence to be, I started asking questions and taking advice from a lot of shooters who were doing a whole lot better than I was. The solution, apart from a little more practice, turned out to be replacing the gun from the ground up and then spending almost twice as much on auxillary gear that's necessary to shoot competition seriously. That last word there... seriously... that's the difference. If you want to go out and shoot 3 gun comp for fun, by all means use the SU and enjoy yourself. If you want to win... look at something else.
 

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flyandscuba said:
Duane,

I chose to use a cotterless hitch pin -- easily replaces the stock pin with no modifications to the SU-16.

Here is the thread I posted earlier:

http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=176
I also did that and it works out really well. No more fishing for your keys to punch the pin out to fold it away.


As for competition I'm going to try to turn this into a competition gun. I know some people who make a large number of competition parts and am going to have them give the gun a look over and see what we can do. Magwell for sure and possibly looking into replacing the barrel with something a bit heavier. We'll see how it all works out. Here in Kali we can't buy AR's so this is likely going to be the new thing for 3-gun for those of us who can't buy anything else.
 
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