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Improved Ejection & FTE Mod (First Generation ONLY!)

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Hi all.
I originally did this mod to a P-3AT to make it quit banging the tar out of my cases so I'd have less trouble reloading them.
However, I've since come to believe that it drastically reduces failures to eject and other malfunctions, not to mention being easier on your brass.
It involves the upper, inner top of the barrel hood, above the feed ramp. This area, from the factory, has a pretty sharp edge, and is what causes most of the dented brass. As the barrel "tilts" upon unlocking, it levers against the brass, which is still engaged to the extractor. Ouch! Contact and dent.
Since this P-3AT is absolutely flawless with anything I feed it, I believe this is helping it eject properly, too, and also reducing brass to the face.
Here's a look at a factory-new barrel, and the worked one, the factory one on the left:


With Blue Line:


Here's a closeup of the two again, straight from the rear. This time the factory barrel's on the right:


With Blue Line:



Now the tricky part. The metal removed can't extend to the actual end of the barrel, or on the actual sides of the barrel hood. This would affect lockup, NOT good news! Here's a shot of the underside of the hood, and you'll notice it's no longer flat, but rather is "ramped" smoothly, delaying contact with the case until the barrel is unlocked fully:



Yet another look, straight from the side this time:



This is best done with fine needle files, and NOT the Dremel. If you elect to do this mod you'll notice the slide comes back more easily than before; that's because it's not hitting the case with the hood and dragging along the brass before it ejects.
This also removes the downward push given the empty brass as it attempts ejection; after the mod my brass started flying high and to the right, every time.
I hope this is clear... this isn't a mod that's crucial, but it DOES improve your pistol's reliability. Just take your time and shape the inside of the ramp slowly and smoothly, being sure NOT to completely eliminate the flat face at the back of the hood, or the flats on the sides. You'll take PART of them off, but not all.
Oh yeah: for those worried that this will hurt your barrel by being banged with the slide in a now-thinner hood, don't worry. The barrel and slide are stopped by the barrel lug on the assembly pin, and the sides of the barrel take up most of the impact of the slide.
At least, over 200 rounds have gone through THIS barrel with no visible extra wear!
Flyer
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Sounds like you found the source of a previous owner's problem. :(
Who're you talking about? Must have missed it.
Anyhow, it'd be a good idea to add a note to the title of this thread. *)
Flyer
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TxCajun said:
Sounds like you found the source of a previous owner's problem.
The original problem was a short hard chrome extractor, which was replaced by a black extractor he received from Kel-Tec. The black extractor was the same as the original (he sent me both), so it didn’t work any better (I have one of the long hard chromes in my parts box). Unfortunately he started on the hood modification. Eventually he beveled the sides of the hood like the picture on the web. Some careful reading about not removing exterior material should have stopped him but it didn’t. I have a barrel ordered, as the current one looks to dangerous to try the new extractor.

Wilson – who’s now thinking of himself as a P-3AT healer :)

PS Flyer thanks, for the assist in the title. I wouldn’t want to disclose the individual’s identity without permission.
Well... You should have a few barrels in your parts box by now. The guys from KT shoud send us photos of the worst home mods they have recieved for warranty bail-out. That would make a great thread. :lol:




Texas-Cajun, who understands why Kel-tec's official line is "modifying your pistol may void your warranty". :?
I'm grabbing at straws here.... would a "mini-mod" be out of line on the hood of my 2G P3AT?????
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mr surveyor said:
I'm grabbing at straws here.... would a "mini-mod" be out of line on the hood of my 2G P3AT?????
Can't see how a "mini" version could HURT anything.
Flyer
this may just be the "fix" I need after all.

what's happening is that the spent casings are about halfway extracted when the next round on the stack is pressing up. It's not every round, or every day (I have had those rare seemingly flawless trips when all seemed proper), but it is more than enough to be discouraging. Since I do have the very obvious casing rim dings, I suppose the angle of the barrel being in conflict with the direction the casing is moving would be the source of that symptom?

Would a mild ramping of the middle portion of the "chamber edge" of the hood possibly be a remedy?

What could have been done to the 2G guns manufactured after my "HHxxx" to make them more reliable?
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mr surveyor said:
I'm grabbing at straws here.... would a "mini-mod" be out of line on the hood of my 2G P3AT?????
Caution Will Robinson . . . you second-generation barrel shouldn’t be modified to look like a first-generation barrel, as they are very different. Just use the pictures to get the idea of how this worked on a 1st Gen then apply the principal to your 2nd Gen barrel. And remember less is better in this instance. I only removed a bit of the inner edge of the barrel for my second-generation P-3ATs to work great. I still occasionally have slightly deformed shell casings if I limpwrist a bit but no jams.

Wilson – who’s little pick files were well worth the price :p
yep, that's what I gathered from Flyer's response... a little only on the edge should not hurt.


so, Wilson, you have taken a bit from the edge of the 2G's and made a noticeable improvement? The reason I have NOT tried this is from the "1G ONLY" cautions about barrel modifications..
well that, and because I figure I will probably screw something up anyway :? I would expect it to be no different than my carpentering skills - no matter how many times I saw a board... it's STILL too short :?

I'll see about rounding up some files
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mr surveyor said:
Wilson, you have taken a bit from the edge of the 2G's and made a noticeable improvement? The reason I have NOT tried this is from the "1G ONLY" cautions about barrel modifications..
The minor barrel hod mod on my early SG P-3ATs made an improvement in reliability, especially when shooting weak hand. My last second-generation P-3AT worked great with either hand without the alteration I did on my early ones.

Wilson – who’s also an advocate of those fine feeling finger extensions :)
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Does anyone here perform all of the recommended and/or required modifications to the 1st. generation P-32...so I can get mine "totally fined tuned, tweaked and perfected" all at one time and place (by someone who knows what to do and how to do it)? No...I'm not mechanically inclined, rather sorta declined! If so, cost for parts/work and approx. turn around time (excluding delivery service to and from authorized FFL's). :idea: :?:
Picvs are not showing up for me. Is there a way to relist them?
I can see the pic: a gray GunKote 2G P-3AT with two mags, each with a different finger extension (NAA and Bersa style).

Welcome back Colubrid!
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