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Isn't it nice to know that they know what is best for you.

They have changed their tatics and have gone for "small steps" to total controll.
First they'll ban all smoking -even in your own home or car, then they'll ban trans fats, then they'll ban your free speech on the internet, then it will be easy to ban the guns.
 

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Oh they've got the stones to try to get AWB back but they ain't got the votes!
 

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Yes, I agree with your definition to a tee.
Can you please tell me those who were front of the line to renew the the clinton ban? I can't remember a single one :?

Bottom line is this thread is about the return of the AWB, not about liberals in general. I've stated multiple times that I don't think it will pass in the near future, because the liberals don't have the stones... nor votes to pass it. And your misinterpreting my political position in general.

Although, nice touch throwing the "REVELATION'S" theme in there.

Kent, who has never been a lamb. Thanks Pop.
Ah, now I get it, uh, Son. Your feathers got ruffled. I'm not blasting your politics and I've always understood you to be a conservative thinker. For the most part I'm not buying into the idea that the Dems are going to give a rat's ass about logic or the will of the people. Every time they win an election they think they have a mandate about their leftist platform. This time the people didn't love their their platform like they think. It was about firing the other guys.
My rants on this thread were to EVERYONE who underestimates the agenda of the (People's Socialist) Democratic Party in America. There are several here and at USrange who don't share my views. When I start throwing around the sledgehammer during my rants it's not about your personal views. I just want everyone here to have a good dose of I told you so when all of the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. BTW, we'll get to the same destination with the RINO's, it will just take longer.

Best regards, Keys *)
 

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BTW rhinokrk,
Like I said in my PM to you, anyone who puts
Get the UN out of the US
Get the US out of the UN
in their sig line deserves a statue in the park. I know your politics. We just got sidetracked here. My apologies.

Tom
 

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BTW rhinokrk...
I know your politics. We just got sidetracked here. My apologies.

Tom
As I know yours friend... I believe that I was the one who sidetracked this thread talking about the "blue dogs". My lack of articulation in the written/typed word is often my downfall.
By no means are apologies necessary. I look forward to future discussions.

Sorry about the "pops" crack :lol:

I still don't see it passing in the next 6 to 8 years.
 

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I don't see AWB coming back anytime soon (3-4 years), take a look at the dems that won this election. Most are "Blue dog's", with the same values as mod Republicans; ie McCain.

They won there seat by coming to the middle, and they will stay there for at least 1-1/2 years.

I will add that Republicans should not panic with the Dems gaining control of the House and Senate... This will increase our chances of getting a R back in the White House.
YMMV
Well, it's knocking on the doors right now. I do hope the majority needed to vote it in isn't home.
 

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From the face of it, it looks like this lady cooked this up all by herself but it stinks of Pelosism to me, not to mention Hillaryism!
 

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Nanski is already showing her true colors after only one week since the election.....
It took less time than that. The day after the election she was heralding the results and spewing her commitment to a new "openness" in government and in almost exactly the same sentence declared that C-SPAN could not have control of the cameras in the House. God forbid we should actually SEE what's going on in their new, open government. I guess we're stuck with a view of a piece of red carpet for a while longer.
 

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mr surveyor said:
Nanski is already showing her true colors after only one week since the election.....
It took less time than that. The day after the election she was heralding the results and spewing her commitment to a new "openness" in government and in almost exactly the same sentence declared that C-SPAN could not have control of the cameras in the House. God forbid we should actually SEE what's going on in their new, open government. I guess we're stuck with a view of a piece of red carpet for a while longer.
So, is it supposed to be news that the leftist Dems are the party of secrecy and government control? They know what's best for us. Trust them. Have a cookie, it will make you feel better.

Keys *)
 

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Have a cookie, it will make you feel better.

Keys *)
And by the time you finish the cookie all will be right with the world and we will have your guns and you won't care. :roll:
 

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The wolf pup is born....

Google up HR 1022 and you will see it in all of its ugliness.
 

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and, even though there are currently no co-sponsors (as of the web info 02/20/07), this thing will have legs when Nanski decides it is time.... first she has to arrainge the schedule for the endless investigations and hearings, prepare for the impeachment BS and all the other crap she promised would NOT be on her "fair and open agenda"......
 

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This is from our local paper today...

EDITORIAL


Still a right



Second Amendment isn’t about how government defines ‘sport’




Acouple of recent events got us thinking about the Second Amendment and the right of self-defense. Ohio lawmakers having just in the last couple years recognized the Second Amendment also should apply here, we were hoping to have a little longer with a freedom, but perhaps not.
Hunting and outdoor writer Jim Zumbo recently stuck his foot in his mouth regarding firearms he thought were unsuitable for hunting and had an unfortunate association with terrorists — rifles based on the design of the AK-47 and AR-15. And there’s a new push in Congress to ban such rifles and other firearms some people view as unneeded by the public. We suppose with a new Democratic majority in Washington it was just a matter of time before this bill came around again.
Up until last week, Zumbo was a respected outdoors and hunting writer and editor for Outdoor Life magazine. He had the job most hunters and sport shooters dream of: spend most of the year hunting and field testing new shooting gear and getting paid for it! Alas, it all came crashing down because of a few ill-chosen words on his Outdoor Life blog. In relating a discussion he and his guides had regarding AK and AR-style rifles, he wrote that he refers to them as “terrorist rifles” and believes they have no place in hunting. The shooting sports blogosphere erupted with such fury that Zumbo was forced to make two public apologies, lost his job at Outdoor Life and most, if not all, of his sponsorships with firearms manufacturers and gear companies.
Most of the comments Freedom Communications read had to do with Zumbo’s apparent lack of knowledge as to the meaning of the Second Amendment. Even in his apologies he keeps coming back to the rifles’ appropriateness for hunting. We believe, along with a huge number of other firearms-rights activists, that, to quote the bumper sticker, “The Second Amendment ain’t about hunting.” In a free society, government shouldn’t issue blanket bans of things or actions that might cause harm.
More troubling from a public policy standpoint than the views of one man, however, are the actions of New York Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, who has introduced HR 1022, which would reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired nearly three years ago. The bill has all the problems of the original ban, and it bans additional firearms. Some provisions are more restrictive than the 1994 ban, but will likely have just as little impact on public safety.
The problem with banning certain types of firearms because of cosmetic differences is that such a ban is all smoke and mirrors. A rifle is no more dangerous if it has a bayonet lug or second pistol grip than a rifle that fires an identical cartridge, but looks like what most people think of as a “traditional” rifle. Ban proponents often point out that what they call “assault rifles” are not suitable for hunting. Setting aside our earlier argument about the meaning of the Second Amendment, the banners are wrong; many of these rifles are used for hunting.
The worst part of HR 1022, however, is the provision that gives the attorney general the authority to decide what is a “sporting purpose” for firearms. So now we’ll have the government deciding which shooting sports are appropriate for free citizens.

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A lot of people don’t realize this, but there are many shooting competitions every weekend for just about any of the firearms targeted by this ban. Participants enjoy the chance to pit themselves against other shooters in timed events that test their skills and equipment. It will be a sad day when they have to ask permission from government to participate in a safe activity in a controlled environment.
Free people don’t need government’s blessing to engage in activities that don’t harm others or infringe on their rights. Firearms owners don’t have to justify their “need” for certain guns to the government; government must justify, with real data, any attempt to infringe on people’s rights granted by their creator and guaranteed by the Constitution. Even then a law should apply on a case-by-case basis, not as a blanket ban
 

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I was one of the guys who attacked Dum - er, Zumbo. I literally couldn't believe what I was reading. It was like I'd stumbled onto the Brady site.
I zapped his both in the original column, and then again in the "apology", where he stated that Ted Nugent had forgiven him and was taking him hunting with an AR-15 to become "familiar" with this type of rifle. Nope, I didn't accept his apology. *)
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Latest media reports/interviews with the Dem's indicates that they have finally determined that it is in their best political advantage to evade, avoid, postpone and/or otherwise not comment (publicly) about any anti-gun issues, AWB particularly.
I see this as an attempt to confuse and "pull the wool over the eyes" of pro-gun voters... until it's too late! The proof's in the pudding, just review their vote history on gun issues to see their true colors.
 
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