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I found a box of new Geco FMJ ammo for my Sub2000 today. The shop was a small little place that just opened up. He has a bunch of old ammo. I paid $7 for the 50 rounds :!: :!: I tried 10 rounds in my Sub and Good Lord those Germans make hot Ammo. The rifle actually kicked! I was shocked the first time, then I was able to control it. It is hot enough to make it my new Carry ammo. I am now officially on the look out for Geco ammo in every calibre :!: