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    Hood mod, or extractor problem?

    Getting FTE's in 2G 3AT, with very consistant symptoms. SN = HLR ##. Gun has been F&B. Cleaned and re-lubed after first 50 rounds.I fired a second box of UMC and kept close track of jams, one or two per magazine, as follows: When jammed, the slide was always all the way back, trying to grab a new round, so I don't attribute any of it to limp-wristing. Jams were two types.

    1.) Case pulled half or 2/3 out, tipped straight up, with the hood pressing on them.
    2.) Case pulled straight back, parallel to the barrel, the rim butted into the nose or case of the new round which was trying to move upward.

    MAYBE THE HOOD?

    On properly extracted cases, there is what looks like a double, pressed-in extractor mark on the FLAT interior of the rim. The brass always flies well up-and-over my head. On the FTE's there is always a single, neat, triangular cut nipped out of the interior EDGE of the rim. This looks like the mark that would occur if the hood knocked the case out of the extractor too early, as show by Midi in one of his posts.

    MAYBE THE EXTRACTOR?

    On the other hand, there are no heavy, hood crunching marks that others (Flyer?) described on the brass. Apparently the hood can hit the brass hard enough to deform it, but I am not seeing that. I have seen a lot suggestions that "the new extractors" (or to mod it) are all you need to cure extraction problems.

    SO NOW WHAT?

    After reading most of the posts on the subject, I am wondering "is there is a clear way to distinguish between an extractor or a hood problem?". Or should I just do the hood mod first? Any clues here?

    HOOD MOD--If I do a hood mod, will KT freak if I eventually have to send it back under warranty (which I will work like crazy to avoid!)?

    EXTRACTOR MOD--I have seen a number of posts on modifying extractors, but they seem to be directed toward the first gen. It seems getting it to go deeper would be tough, because you would have to file around the stop pin and not damage it--but do-able. Has anyone tried to mod the 2nd gen extractors to get a better bite?

    MY OWN THOUGHT--I also thought of shimming under the contact point of the extractor spring, to put more pressure on the extractor, just to see the result.

    I prefer to cure this without sending it back, but would do so if that were the dominant suggestion, or if there are improvements they still need to make on this particular gun.

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    Feel your pain brother. See my post from a few days ago. I will be watching this close as I am having same problem. I am going to round my hood edge out a little and shoot it tommorow. I'll let you know if it works.

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    Extractor. Get a new one. You now have the dominant suggestion.
    Flyer




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    I would start with the new/longer SG extractor. Make sure to ask them for a new screw as well as you probably won't want to re-use the old one. If that doesn't work, then modify the hood. The hood mod "fixed" my FG after an extended extractor made only a mild improvement. I was getting the damage on the side of the brass and dented casemouths, however.



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    justfish--how did it work?

    Thanks lads,

    I am requesting extractor from KT, and will definitely post results to this thread. I am tempted to do a minor hood fix to see if it at least cuts down on FTE's (and 'cause I just HATE sitting around waiting). But I sort of want to know if the extractor, alone, would 'cure' it.

    Fish, I am anxious to hear about your results.

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    Flyer--educate us!

    Flyer,

    I appreciate your answer concerning my FTE's. In addition to knowing an answer, I always like to learn something in the process. Since FTE's seem to be one of the still prevalent problems on the 2G's, would you share a few thoughts with us on this subject.

    I would particularly like to know how you distinguish between the need for an extractor, or a hood mod. Was it something in the symptoms I described, or does experience tell you this is probably the cause? For example, I suppose the serial number gives some evidence of the type extractor I have.

    Thanks, in advance.

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    Chaz- I recieved this new Barrel/slide from Keltec on right before they closed for the holidays. They had to wait (according to them) for a new shipment of slides to come in before they could send it to me. That leads me to believe there isnt a more updated slide/ extractor. I could be wrong. I will be calling them at 8am tomorrow though, and getting another extractor also.

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    An upgraded extractor depends on the 'age' of my pistol, and I'm not sure how old the serial number is. I wish KT would post a history of upgrades, but I suppose they feel that would trigger an avalanche of parts requests that owners many not really need? I will be checking in with them early this week also.

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    No luck, Chaz. I rounded edge slightly, nowhere near what it looks like in Flyers pics. I loaded one mag and had 2 FTE. Same thing. Will call them first thing in morning. I am getting VERY frustrated. I am going to tell them to send me a new extractor. If that doesn't work, I am might just show up at their doorstep, w/ 10 boxes of WWB, and aint leaving til it's running right. The're only a few hours away.

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    Re:

    Quote Originally Posted by justfish
    If that doesn't work, I am might just show up at their doorstep, w/ 10 boxes of WWB, and aint leaving til it's running right. The're only a few hours away.
    Please tell me that you are not currently using WWB. If so, try a different brand and that may solve your problem. Many, many P3ATs do not work well with WWB.



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