Noob finds way to screw up breakdown . . . .

[mr fat back]

Okay, I read the manual, found a great YouTube demoing the breakdown of the Sub 2000. I put the safety on, pulled back the charging handle and let it fly. Then I got the stock pin fully extended and removed the buffer and spring. Next I slid the bolt back and removed the charging handle. Piece of cake! The YouTube now says the bolt assembly should fall out into my hand. Nope, it didn't do that. It won't slide back any further than the charging handle hole and I can't get it to go forward to close it up. It's practically frozen in place!

I shined my tiny flashlight down the chamber and really can't tell if somehow the hammer was sprung.....I didn't think that would matter to disassembly. So, I can neither remove nor re-assemble the bolt.

Looking through the rear of tube the bolt is stopped right at the beginning of the the pin holes and there doesn't seem to be anything preventing it from sliding out.

Wow, I thought getting it back together might be a challenge....

Please send some suggestions, please!

[mr fat back]

More thoughts on problem:

I put my Sub on safety before I pulled the charging handle. That most likely meant that the trigger had already been pulled. Would the safety prevent the hammer from being cocked even?

[mr fat back]

C'mon guys, yer killing me!

Just to test my theory that the hammer was in the way I pulled the trigger. SNAP. Now the hammer IS in the way.

Somehow, the bolt just does not want to come out, even now.

Ideas, chums?

[magman454]

I don't have a Sub 2K, but my boss does. I'll print this and take it to work with me tomorrow. I'm sure that he won't mind helping out if he can.

[mr fat back]

Preshate it.

I at least know that you can cock the gun with the safety on. I haven't found a flathead screwdriver long enough to cock the hammer yet. But the problem remains: The bolt doesn't want to come out the back.

[mr fat back]

Well, jiggling around with screwdrivers I have the bold within about 3/8's inch short of the tube end. Seems like that's all she'll do tonight.

[magman454]

I gave my boss a copy of this thread. He said that he would take a look at it his to see what might be hanging it up, but might not get to it until this weekend.

[plinkertoo]

Unless the stock pin is not pulled out far enough there should be nothing between the bolt and the end of the tube. Do you or the wife have a long handled wooden spoon? If not go buy a 1/4" wood dowel about 2' long and use that to push it out the rest of the way. You may have to tap on the dowel with a hammer, but it will come out. The only thing I can think of that may be blocking it is either the stock pin isn't far enough out of the hole - and you say your past that point - or the pin holes may have some drilling flash around them that is tight on the bolt. You're at the point you'll just have to push it out the rest of the way to find out. Once you get it out run your finger down the tube and feel around the pin holes. If they are sharp edged you can clean them up with a round file.

The hammer can be re-cocked by pushing it back from the front of the tube with the same wood dowel, but will still protrude up into the tube about 1/4". This is normal. If/when you get the bolt out, when you put it back in it will want to stop at the hammer. BE SURE WHEN RE-INSTALLING IT THAT THE FLAT MILLED PART OF THE BOLT IS FACING DOWN. When it stops at the hammer you should be able to easily re-install the charging handle in the bottom of the bolt and push it forward with the handle. If the charging handle is hard to iinstall you may have the bolt inverted. Some folks use a wood spoon/dowel/screwdriver to hold the hammer down from the front until the bolt rides over it going in. As the gun is used more it will eventually just ride on in there or go in with pressure from the recoil spring.

The safety can look and feel like it is on but not actually be on. The button will be flush against the right side of the receiver when the safe is engaged. You cannot safe the gun unless you charge the handle. The safety will go halfway but not be engaged. And I know the manual says if you pull the trigger while it's apart it will render the gun inoperational, but this is not true. I do cock and safe mine before disassembly and have somehow managed to avoid this, but it happens more often than people want to admit.

I do not get email notifications from this forum for some strange reason. I will check back in this evening to see how it's going.

[Midiman]

You have to turn on the "subscribe to thread" option to get email notifications of new posts to threads.

[plinkertoo]

Thank you Midi. I hadn't tried it with the new software. I used to have the Sub2K forum set to notify me whenever anything new was done, but for some reason the only notifications I was getting under the old software was for PMs. Regardless of what I tried. I've got the Sub forum setup again and we'll see.