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    Understudy

    Since there is no place around locally where someone without a badge can go to practice drawing and firing, I have been looking around for some time now at getting an air pistol modeled after the 1911 so that I can do said practice at home.

    While there are many such air guns out there; BB guns, Airsoft guns, and even a couple of pellet guns; I had a hard time finding one that would approximate my Taurus without costing almost as much as an actual firearm.

    I needed one without a rail so that it would fit my holster. It had to be a 5" 1911, with a working thumb safety, and preferably blowback operation to give it a little kick.

    Most of the air guns that fit the bill cost at least $160.00. However, I just got one in the mail today from the Sportsman's Guide that costs $70.00.
    It's made by Daisy. It is a Co2 powered 16 shot semi-automatic BB gun with a blowback operated reciprocating slide. At approximately 410 FPS it is not overly powerful to shoot in my garage. The thumb safety does work, however, that button that you see on the side of it has to be pushed in in order to take the pistol off safe. That means it is a two hand proposition to take the safety off. I removed that button, and now it works as it should. The grip safety is just for looks.

    I took it out back today and shot at a shoot N see target pasted on a 6X6 box stuffed with old newspaper. I wanted to know how accurate it is before I start shooting it in the garage. At about 20 ft, most of my carefully aimed shots went into about a 4" pattern. About one shot in every 2 or 3 magazines goes wild, and didn't even hit the box. I knew that since it is a smoothbore it would not be a target gun, but I had hoped for a bit better. Still, it will suffice for the purpose at hand. I'll just have to set a plywood board against the wall in case I miss the target.

    The slide does not slam back with the same authority as when firing a 185 gr +P hollow point, but it is more violent than I expected. Since some of the Co2 for each shot is used to reciprocate the slide, I was also surprised to see that I could get about 4 full 16 shot magazines out of 1 Co2 cartridge before the power dropped off noticeably. At least during slow fire. If I just dumped the magazines, I could only get 2 to 3.

    It has the right size, controls and feel, (The slide even sort of locks back after the last shot.) but it is almost a full pound lighter than my loaded 1911. I'm looking at how I might fit some lead inside to remedy that slight defect. Overall, I'm quite happy with it. Although I would be happier if there were somewhere to go where I could practice with the real thing.
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    Great solution, Mr. Magman!

    The website seems to indicate that you need to be a VIP Member just to order this item, or is that only for the discount to get the price down to $70?

    I like the labeling of the controls . . . all except the "clip release". Some of the crustier guys would have a field day with that!

    Anyway . . . congratulations on your new training acquisition.

    If you ever get out to Tucson, I will invite you over to the Pima Pistol Club range where you can practice your cowboy action draws to your heart's content, outdoors with a nice view of Pusch Ridge in the background.

    Admittedly, airfare will be more than $70 and .45 ACP is way more expensive than your indoor training ammunition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TucsonMTB View Post
    Great solution, Mr. Magman!

    The website seems to indicate that you need to be a VIP Member just to order this item, or is that only for the discount to get the price down to $70?
    The membership is $29.00 a year. When you get your membership package it has your card with your ID number, and two $10.00 certificates that are good on any order, but you have to use them within six months. As a member, you get 5% off on ammo, 10% off on everything else except for some clearance items, (Supposedly) priority order processing, and they periodically offer members only items and members only access at a discount as a preview to some items that they are going to be carrying.

    I have a couple of friends at work who each give me $10.00 towards my membership when I have to renew it, and I order whatever they want. It works out pretty well.


    Quote Originally Posted by TucsonMTB View Post
    I like the labeling of the controls . . . all except the "clip release". Some of the crustier guys would have a field day with that!
    Yeah, I noticed that as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by TucsonMTB View Post
    Anyway . . . congratulations on your new training acquisition.
    Thank you very much. I'll be fixing up my indoor "range" this weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by TucsonMTB View Post
    If you ever get out to Tucson, I will invite you over to the Pima Pistol Club range where you can practice your cowboy action draws to your heart's content, outdoors with a nice view of Pusch Ridge in the background.
    Thank you for the invitation. If I'm ever out that way, I'll definitely take you up on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by TucsonMTB View Post
    Admittedly, airfare will be more than $70 and .45 ACP is way more expensive than your indoor training ammunition.
    No Kidding! I just figured it out and it's about $0.12 per ten shots with the understudy between the Co2's and the BB's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magman454 View Post
    The membership is $29.00 a year.
    Back when I was buying lots of ammo and they had great prices on .45 ACP, I had a membership and it was great!

    Quote Originally Posted by magman454 View Post
    No Kidding! I just figured it out and it's about $0.12 per ten shots with the understudy between the Co2's and the BB's.
    Awesome! Really awesome!

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    aren't there some "competition quality" BB's on the market that are supposed to be more precisely rounded? I still keep a couple of old Daisy's around and a couple of cartons of generic BB's, but I remember a few years ago having a small carton of more expensive BB's that seemed to be much more consistant with shot placement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magman454 View Post
    Since there is no place around locally where someone without a badge can go to practice drawing and firing, Daisy.jpg
    Go out in the country and find a large farm and ask them if you give them a few dollars can you try out your gun.
    Before I moved to where I could shoot I used to go to farmers alot and most of them had no problem with letting me shoot.
    They will tell you where to shoot at so that none of their livestock is in danger.

    PS. Most military surplus stores sells real police and sheriff badges along with real uniforms and patches. LOL!!!

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